Common ground — 30 Comments

    • CO2 seems to have become the great mantra of the GW Church all right.  They ignore the simple facts that wind farms and electric cars probably produce more CO2 in the long run.  They all seem to want us to live in mud huts lit by a pile of smouldering camel dung.  Ooops, no.  Can't smolder camel dung – that might produce CO2? 

  1. Yep GD, facts don't really need your approval to remain being facts. Global warning is a fact. As for the smoking thing, I guess you relate to second hand smoke? Or do you actually claim that smoking cigarettes is harmless for the smoker?

    • What facts need is proper science to back them up.  The Warming crowd have singularly failed to predict anything accurately and it is a known fact that their computer models have been "tweaked" to produce the results that fit their theories. 

      As an example, Einstein predicted that gravity bends light  – a theory that was mocked in some quarters.  Since then measurements have proved that not only was Einstein right, but his formulae were spot on.  In other words, experimentation proved the theory.  That is science.

      The same goes for smoking.  While the jury is out on the direct effects of smoking, I should point out that no one has ever been able to induce cancer in animals under laboratory conditions, no matter how hard they try.  The whole theory of smoking causing cancer is still based entirely on questionnaires made under highly suspect conditions.  With regard to "second hand" smoke, again all the figures quoted are cherry picked from epidemiological studies while ignoring the two biggest studies ever undertaken which both showed no conclusive link between tobacco smoke and ill health.

      • That was a terrible example. You can't be seriously comparing climatology, which is an observation, to a physical theory. 

        GD, I like your writing a lot. But there are few topics where you really make me angry – climate change is one of them. You keep repeating the same mantra for years, completely oblivious to the facts. Climate change is an established fact. Nothing will change that, no matter how many times you wil close your eyes and repeat otherwise.

        I read about this topic for years. Unfortunately I do that with Polish web community (for example: on the right – links to tons of data), so I can't really provide a single link to something in english that would explain why we can say that climate chage is a fact. But I'm also bored – believe me, at this point denying climate change is equivalent to denying evolution. Yep. There are a lot of creationists out there and I'm sorry to say, you sound just like them in those posts.

        • VENEVIDI is spot on. You make my blood boil too. On certain issues you really are embarrasingly foolish.

          • Just because you believe in the GW scam does not make you right. Nor does it automatically make other people who are not so easily conned wrong. There are currently more than 30,000 scientists who have signed  the petition to get the US government to reject all GW propaganda.

            The science is settled. Yeah, right. Wankers.

            • I don't know the exact percentage but 90-95% of climatologists will tell you that climate change (the result of global warming for you asswipes to stupid to understand the difference) is real and is man made.The others are paid off by the fossil fuel corporations. So quit being such a dumb twat and get on board.

              • Surely you can do better than that, tt?  That is the classic Straw Man argument – in the pay of Big Oil if you disagree with the Climate thing or Big Tobacco if you refute the second hand smoke scam.

              • 90-95% of climatologists ARE asswipes who base all their stupid predictions on flawed computer models and have brought the credibility of Science  and scientists generally into disrepute. The UK met office used to do real forecasting 25 years ago and were accurate to a much greater degree than now… The difference being that they jumped on the GW bandwagon, use the same flawed models and now find it difficult to predict tomorrow's weather, so why would anybody believe what they say may happen in even one year's time?

                Real scientists use real data which shows that many times in the planet's history both temperatures and CO2 have been much higher than present… Did we cause that as well?

                Take your GW religion and shove it up your arse…. It's not science.

  2. Quite right. In fact I'd go further and say that the anti-smoking template is the model for the CO2 con.

    The template goes like this:

    Never debate scientific matters with opponents.

    Claim that the science is settled.

    Use ad-hominem attacks on opponents. Claim they are in the pay of Big Tobacco', 'Big Oil' etc.

    Claim that you're saving thousands of lives.

    Claim that it is 'for the children'.

    Infiltrate and take over scientific/medical journals and societies. Then silence the mainstream media.

    • Oh yes, and you on the other hand provide tons of facts which allow you call something, asamatteroffactedly, a con.

      • Hi Venividi,

        I tend to call it the CO2 con. But others are (arguably) more polite. There's no point in my trying to post 'facts' here. The internet is your friend in this regard. However I'll suggest a good starting point is 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' documentary:

    • "Never debate scientific matters with opponents."   NO! Never debate scientific matters with scientists unless you happen to be one. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

      • Are scientists above debating with mere mortals?  Or are you suggesting that scientists should only debate with people who agree with them?

        • If you ever need an operation. Something taken out? Feel free to have a debate with the surgeon. Tell him his diagnosis is wrong.

          • I have done this twice, about 20 years ago when I was wrongly suspected to have breast cancer and felt it was wrong, a second opinion proved me right. More recently for an operation for Glaucoma which again I felt was wrong and it was, another second opinion and I had a cataract now sorted. So not taking a surgeon's word as gospel isn't a bad idea.

  3. Of course there is climate change, the climate has always changed, ice ages, warm periods etc.

    The theory that it is all caused by man is purely a bandwagon jumped on by government which sees another opportunity to raise taxes in the name of 'saving the planet'.


    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
    H. L. Mencken


  4. This scam is all part of the agenda.

    The Club of Rome was an influential think tank, advocating among other things worldwide population reduction and global environmental governance.  In a Report by the Council of The Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, it is written…

    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution,the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

    Get it??    The Controllers say we caused it, it's promoted from the top down, and they will not deviate from this stance because it is another great method of control and de-population…through carbon tax, limited energy and food, etc

    And useful idiots serve the system well.



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