From Anger to Curiosity — 17 Comments

  1. Just a slight correction there Granbdad. There are 4.6m people in the country and the total incidences of Lung Cancer last year was 2.316. So last year, you had a one in 19,863 chaces of developing lung cancer.

    To put that is statistical perspective, 29,000 people die from all causes or one chance in 159 of dying in any given year

    Where would you place your bets?

    • Or to put it another way, 19,862 people have to be penalised, "denormalised" and made suffer just in case one person gets cancer?  That makes a LOT of sense!

  2. That little theory would explain one of the great current mysteries – why they are so viciously opposed to vaping.  They don't give a shit about vapers [or for that matter, smokers, the obese, alcoholics or whatever your choice of pleasure is].  What they are concerned about is power and control

    Personally I think your little theory is only partly true Granddad. I prefer to follow the money trail and that explains everything. Vaping is a threat to their paymasters in big pharma and they need the power and control to keep themselves in lavish lifestyle. You of all people know how it goes. I've witnessed exactly the same kind of thing at work (on a much smaller scale, of course) – when the big bosses decide that there is too much middle management and decide to have a cull, they are falling over themselves and stabbing each other in the back to come up with ridiculous ideas in order to hang on to their large salaries. Some of these things are just plain unworkable but they don't care about that, if they are seen to be 'doing something' or 'using initiative' or 'thinking outside the box' then it is the next man who will go. Meanwhile the shop floor workers all suffer in implementing those 'ideas'. That sums up the whole mentality of tobacco control, its not about health, or even power come to that. They have no particular desire to control anyone, its just part of the job, something that is required for their scam to work, and they will sink as low as needed to make sure it does work.

    The same kind of thing goes on with vapers and smokers – the theory that if the vapers chant tobacco control's propaganda back at them, then it will be the smokers who come worse off. We are in the same kind of scramble for survival as those middle managers at work. Its the only shot that the vaper has in the armory. I feel ashamed myself because I'm a vaper – well, a former smoker who believes that instead of all that rubbish vapers and smokers should be standing as one against a common enemy. Health-wise, speaking for myself, I don't feel any healthier than I used to when smoking, but on the other hand I don't have coughing fits anymore and notice sharper senses of smell and taste, so although I originally didn't set out to quit smoking its done at least some good for me. But take away my sugar, greasy spoon food and salt at your own peril.

    • Money is definitely an aspect, but by my theory they chose smoking as their test case as Big Pharma would be only too willing to fund them.  However there are few vested interests in banning sugar, fat, alcohol or whatever.  But by the time the Puritans moved on from tobacco they were receiving funding from central tax funds, so there was little need for commercial backers.  They had managed to convince gubmints that there was a vast untapped resource out there – sin taxes.

      Not only should smokers and vapers stands together but they should be joined by everyone who has a lifestyle disapproved by the Puritans, which incidentally must cover virtually the entire population at this stage.

      • Not only should smokers and vapers stands together but they should be joined by everyone who has a lifestyle disapproved by the Puritans, which incidentally must cover virtually the entire population at this stage.

        Agreed. However the rest of the lifestyle 'sinners' have not yet reached the low of vapers and smokers, for example if you are in a restaurant and want salt on your food you are not made to eat it outside. But I don't think that time will be very long in coming and perhaps when it does we will find some unity. Hopefully.

        You mention in another comment that it wouldn't surprise you, if sometime in the future, all smokers and vapers have to wear a badge on their coat. I think that in a sense we already do – the sight of smokers and vapers huddled together in what could be described as a poorly made cattle shed serves the same purpose as the badge. That was the real intention of the indoor ban, it had nothing whatsoever to do with protecting anyone from the illusory second hand smoke.

        The problem with lifestyle sinners in general is that they need to grow a pair and collectively just ignore the puritans demands, but they just let it happen. The story of the tiny dot is just as relevant to this as anything else. After all, its all just brainwashing.


  3. "Tobacco control was some kind of test case"

    I think you're on the right track with this GD. The term "passive smoking" was coined by the Nazis. Google <Nazi anti smoking> or <Nazi health>.  A lot of the stuff being pushed by the health fascists these days is almost word for word the stuff of Nazi propaganda.


    • The current anti-smoker purge is as a direct result of the Nazi movement, and that is why I never hesitate to label them as Nazis.  They follow the Nazi manifesto almost to the letter.  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if sometime they pass a law saying that all smokers and vapers have to wear a badge on their coats.

      • But it was the Nazis who led the latest charge and the modern ideology is pretty similar to theirs – second hand smoke, banning smoking in certain areas and the rest.

  4. Don't understand all this concern with keeping us all hale and hearty myself.

    Last I checked there were an est. 7 billion people crowding the planet, many of whom have no means of keeping themselves together, another large portion of whom we've (where "we" equals the larger world powers, i.e. America, Britain, France, Germany…) deliberately decided not to assist, despite the constant barrage of bloated-belly starving children playing on our television screens. In other words, "we've" fully written off nearly 2/3s of the world population that we could be helping, and instead have developed this weird idée fixe with ourselves.

    None of which sounds healthy to me.

    • Ah but health has nothing to do with it.  You only have to look at the recent Ebola outbreak [in Africa, therefore not important] where the head of the World Health Organisation was more concerned about an Anti-Smoker conference in Moscow that she was about the plight of the Africans.

      It has never been about health.

        • Ah! But Big Pharma gets more money from treating people than it does curing people.  Once you  are cured their money train stops!  


        • Trying again as my first attempt disappeared into the void!

          Ah! But Big Pharma only makes money from treating people not curing them.  Once you are cured their money train stops.  


    • Which pretty much fits in with my theory?  The more you abuse people, the more compliant they become.  The perfect world where the Great Unwashed no longer question their Lords and Masters.

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