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Go back to where you came from — 22 Comments

  1. ”….follow my customs”

    Which ones would that be? Perhaps the better suggestion would be for people from different cultural heritages to learn from each other. Assimilation is a lazy answer to the problem of integration.

    No one ever suggested or expected the Irish to drop their identity when they went abroad. And there are millions of people abroad as a result that consider themselves Irish and another nationality, be it American, Australian, Canadian whatever.

    If you’re kids were going abroad and were told to drop their identity as a price of staying somewhere i’m sure you’d advise them to respond with ‘go fuck yourself’.

    Its telling that the first thing you thought of when you thought of foreigners coming over was ‘ghettos’. 

    • Another typical liberal Canadian.  It's not enough that Trudeau ruined our country, but that so many Canadians think this is a good thing, this makes it worst.  Canada no longer has an identity, and I've heard first hand from many immigrants to my face, that we never had one, so why should we complain.  This is most offensive thing someone could say to my face, so it that doesn't deserve the person to be told "go fuck yourself", I don't know what does.  You, you're just another utopian moron!!!

  2. I agree 1,000% with all of that.
     
    The portly Peter, I reckon, would be very discerning about who lives beside him in his “Irish Pile”, and one doubts that members of the traveling community would be permitted to “settle” next door to the Sutherland residence, never mind some aspiring  ‘foreign Johnny’.
     
    Portly-Pete will only mingle with other betters like himself, while the rest of us must get on with each other like good little, obedient Europeans. Some of my neighbors here in colourful Mayfield have only recently learned to stand upright and it will be a while yet until they get around to actually reading the musings of Portly- Pete. In the meantime though, should some unfortunate soul from abroad seek to intermingle with them, I fear they make take such approaches badly.

  3. Fuck it – Maybe I should have phrased it that they should drop their customs when those customs are alien to the Irish environment.  As I said above, if I were to emigrate, I would fully expect to follow the customs and language of my new country.  I would expect to speak their language and abide by their customs and laws.  If for example alcohol were forbidden I would fully accept that I would have to forgo the pleasures of a pint.  With regard to the ghettos, you only have to look across the water to see illustrations of what I mean.  In the UK whole towns are becoming centres for specific groups.  Some of those groups are for example trying to impose Sharia Law on their neighbourhoods.  I notice that you use the US, Australia and Canada as your examples of Irish destinations.  All three speak English [or at least the Mercans attempt to] so there are few problems with the Irish integrating themselves.

    John – So mayfield is still swinging then?!  Do you mean your are not integrated with them yet?

  4. He thinks that migration was a “crucial dynamic for economic growth” in some EU nations.

    Inward migration is welcomed by Peter & his buddies from the Bilderberg group where he is a member of their steering committee, the more migrants entering a country bringing their own customs etc with them the better as this can only help to dilute the local customs & traditions.

    First you weaken a countries Economy then it’s sense of identity, it’s traditions & customs & then its sovereignty is up for grabs.

    Peter Sutherland has had a varied career, EU commision, RBS, Goldman Sachs, Bilderberg etc, anyone who thinks that any comment from this man is innocent or hasn’t been weighed up is very naive indeed.

    The Maastricht treaty took away our currency & financial independence, The Nice Treaty took away our borders & immigration controls, Lisbon, the Fiscal Compact & the soon to be other Treaties will take care of the rest & we will continue to vote the way they want.

    I, like you Grandad have no problem with where someone is from, their colour or Religion, as long as that person is willing to obey the law & accept our customs etc I am happy for them to stay here, whether that’s next door to me or not.

    It’s when they want to impose their culture on us or seek to have theirs recognised ahead of ours that I have a problem.

  5. Grandad – Fair point, I wouldn’t expect to be able to knock back the guinness if I was in Saudi Arabia. The ghettoisation of communities is a two sided problem though. Its partly as a result of immigrants coming together for reasons of familiarity, language, religion etc… but its also part of their rejection by everyone else and having limited options.

    Case in point – a couple of years ago I read a horrible piece in the paper about a black teenager playing football in Carlow (or Laois maybe – not sure) and getting disgraceful racial abuse from an entire section of one of the stands. I wouldn’t blame the lad if he had a huge mistrust of all things Irish.

    Sharia Law is a straw man argument. Not all traditions are equivalent. Good, bad and criminal traditions should not be held in the same regard. 

  6. Lets look a bit more at this fools past remember it was Sutherland who visited Brain Lenihan to tell him what a great job he was doing [for Goldman Sachs] and had the potential to be the greatest Taoiseach of the 21st century. Iv said it before it was Sutherland who was pulling Biffo’s strings and got him to bail out the the banks without telling anyone.     He is a member of the NWO Bilderberg Group who want world government. Also fingers in many pies Goldman Sachs. Royal Bank Scotland [bailed out by UK taxpayer] past European Commissioner, Head of WTO and many more as has been pointed out by Lasfword. He wants uncontrolled immigration to get rid of Nation States a very dangerous individual.

  7. Lafsword – Your last two paragraphs sum up my attitude precisely.  If I had a Ugandan one side of me and a Pakistani the other, it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest provided they didn’t start sacrificing goats or whatever in the back garden.  And as you say, I don’t see them having any right to impose their way on mine.

    Fuck it – Ghettoisation is maybe a bad word.  There is however a perfectly natural tendency for immigrants to settle amongst their own.  I have seen this at work in France where the Brits tend to hang out together and I can easily understand how anyone wanting to move to France would want to move where there are others who speak the same language, like the same foods and so on.  There is nothing wrong with that in the short term, but in the long term it does prevent proper assimilation into the local society.  As for racial abuse – no fucking way.  I won’t tolerate that in my house.

  8. XX Immigrants should have to pass a test to enter the country if they intend staying here. XX
     
    Part of which should be a certificate of castration/sterilisation.

  9. I’m also with you 100% on this one GD.
    I go to the UK every month for a bout a week and am appalled at the society there. God forbid that Ireland should ever come to that.
    “Christmas lights” in Oxford Street became “Festival lights” in case the word Christmas offended the Muslims – fuck them I say (the Muslims I mean – but not all, only most!!)
     
    Also and interesting letter in today’s IT along the line that we should be mollycoddling the poor immigrants:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index.html#1224318625232
     
    Bless – now fuck off back home.

  10. Howard’s 2008 speech, and it is very similar to Gillard’s speech of 2010

    Two Aussie PM’s with Balls….
     
    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
    Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’
    ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’
    ‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’
    ‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’
    ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’
    ‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
    ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
    ‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’
    Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American and Canadian citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

    When will we ever have any Politician with the balls to stand up and call it like it is…. 

  11. Slab – Howard was a Legend, if only we had a leader with his balls & patriotism then our Govt might stand up for our country instead of bending over for the fucking EU & Germany.

  12. Hah!! I can see that going down a bomb with the PC brigade/
     

    Pissing off the PC Brigade can only be viewed as a bonus. 

  13. Thorny issue immigration. I am aware that the right wing nutters keep trying to whip up fear with this Sharia law business. Far as I know it’s legally a non starter. At least over here. And I suspect in Europe also. Someone let me know if this is wrong.

  14. “If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.” Sheep shagging is also a part of Australian culture
    so you can certainly fuck off with that one. Also, how can I be offended by the equivalent of the tooth fairy.

  15. tt – I’m pretty sure there is no way Sharia law could be introduced here without a major change to the constitution, but that wouldn’t stop the thumb suckers whinging on about minority rights, or the rights of “asylum seekers”.  As it is, the Muslims tried to introduce it in some part of London last year.  I don’t know what became of that!

    It’s not often you see “sheep shagging” and the tooth fairy mentioned in one paragraph?

  16. XX

    #tton 26 Jun 2012 at 12:12 am
    Thorny issue immigration. I am aware that the right wing nutters keep trying to whip up fear with this Sharia law business. Far as I know it’s legally a non starter. At least over here. And I suspect in Europe also. Someone let me know if this is wrong.  XX

    Depends what you mean by “legally”.
     
    Something is only as LEGAL as the poupulation allow it to be. Sharia “marraige/divorce” courts, and “honour courts” are “accepted” both in Britain and here in Germany. Same goes for Scandinavia, and most of North Western Europe.
     
    German courts, for example, and Britain is extremely similar, have decreed that if both parties agree, they have no objection to people turning to “sharia courts” for “justice”.
     
    That means, in all but the signature on the bottom line, that they ARE accepted in law in these places.
     
    But as we all know, a muslim is never happy with one of a kind. From wives to camels, he wants them ALL, and believes his hobby gives him a “god given” right to HAVE it all.
     
    You have, therefore NOT seen the last of this “sharia” crap.
     
    XX

    #Lafswordon 25 Jun 2012 at 11:48 pm
    Slab – Howard was a Legend, if only we had a leader with his balls & patriotism then our Govt might stand up for our country instead of bending over for the fucking EU & Germany. XX

    DON’T confuse GERMANY with the pile of shite bags in the Reichstag. I can assure YOU laddie, GERMANS hate the E.U as much as ANY  Irishman or Brit.
     

  17.  Sharia Law has a few good things going for it.
     No lawyers,
     No women drivers,
     You can recognise a thief from 50 yards away, he’s the one without a right hand !!

  18. Why would God [or Allah]  [or the Tooth Fairy] have a thing about women drivers?  Did he once have a bad experience?

  19. I was watching RTE News yesterday, when they showed a clip of a naturalisation ceremony in Dublin.  One Nigerian woman said she was looking forward to teaching her culture to the Irish?  That should be the other way around.  Put a stop to it now, before it is too late.  
    I had a socialist professor/lawyer actually suggest to me a few months ago that I should marry a minority woman as it would help my future political ambitions!!!!  I thought love was a requirement?  
    @tt That kind of holier than thou labelling shite is why everyone else hates us.  Knock it off!
     

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