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    • The problem [for them] though is that if the temperature does start to drop significantly the news has to come out about the sunspots.  It will be a perfect clash between science and religion.

  1. If you look in old text books (printed) you can see graphs drawn up in the 1960s and 1970s showing a significant global cooling from 1945 through into the 70s. This is not reproduced on modern graphs covering that time, but a warming is shown. Data manipulation. This is not only junk science it is deceit.

    • I distinctly remember someone proposing a plan to spread coal dust over the Poles in an attempt to warm the planet and prevent an impending ice age.  Maybe they were right after all?

      • I recall the same. Wouldn’t that help a lot. I wonder if any of these geniuses remembered that Antarctica was a continent? Whole lot of coal dust.

  2. The alarmists realised some time ago that they had entered into a one-way bet with their ‘Global Warming’ branding – so they smartly amended their corporate slogan to ‘Climate Change’, thus covering all variability options in order to ensure continuity of their fame and funding, both of which matter to them far more than the planet does.

    Climate has always changed and it always will change, forces far greater than mankind are involved – the challenge for mankind is to adapt in order to accommodate whatever changes happen.  To attempt to interfere with those changes offers even less chance of success than Theresa May negotiating a decent Brexit.

  3. no no no. It’s not the sun that’s causing the global cooling!

    the real reason is the lack of smokers!

    the health nazis have said “smoking bad”…..they say numbers of smokers is dropping

    the temperature is dropping so the temp drop is caused by a lack of smokers;)

    my theory seems just as scientific as the “Global Warming…err….Anthropological Climate Change” crowd!

    light ’em if you’ve got ’em, it’s your duty to do your bit to save the world 🙂

     

  4. Anyone out there read J.E. Lovelock’s Gaia theory?  It is pretty old now but still very valid, and although he is from England, he came up with the theory (while on holiday in Cork) that because all living things are connected (food chains, symbiosis etc.), that small ecological changes could have big results.  Very clever guy BTW, he helped develop such devices as the gas spectrometer. 
    He talks a lot about the carbon cycle and how too much carbon is a bad thing for life as it exists now on earth.  Now let me see; we are burning vast quantities of hydrocarbons in the form of dead dinosaurs and forests that have been locked up in the earth for millennia, might that not have a consequence?
    Our climate this far north is made bearable by the Gulf Stream but it is the cold of the polar ice cap that causes its return flow to the Caribbean.  Melt the ice cap and although much of the rest of the world would heat up, Ireland could well freeze.  It is a young science having only been around for 40 years or so, but don’t knock it until you have studied it.  There are lots of possible scenarios, many of which are little more than speculation and which will be proved or disproved by further study.  That is the way science works, you speculate, form a hypothesis and then test it.  Not every speculation lives to become accepted.
    Do you really doubt that mankind is having an effect on our world?  What about the hole in the ozone layer (manmade problem), the air quality in our cities (manmade problem), the plastics and other pollutants in our oceans (manmade [roblem)?  Do you really doubt that we live on a fragile planet, or that we can have an effect on it?  If so then tell me (one simple example) where the Corncrakes have gone?
     

  5. “Anyone out there read J.E. Lovelock’s Gaia theory?”
    Nope not me but then again I can come up with my own theories thank you very much, doesn’t make mine any more ‘on the money’ than James’s.

    “he came up with the theory (while on holiday in Cork) that because all living things are connected (food chains, symbiosis etc.), that small ecological changes could have big results.”

    Still just a theory.

    “He talks a lot about the carbon cycle and how too much carbon is a bad thing for life as it exists now on earth.”

    Carbon is bad for carbon based life what was he smoking in Cork?
    And for the deluded Carbon is a very differenmt thing to Carbon Dixide.

    “There are lots of possible scenarios, many of which are little more than speculation”

    Don’t lie, they are all speculation.

    “Do you really doubt that we live on a fragile planet, or that we can have an effect on it?”

    No we do not live on a fragile planet. There is bugger all fragile about it. We are of the planet you silly thing.

    Check out notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com for some official statistics on the ‘melthing arctic ice’ you are in for a bit of a shock. Or check out the icebreaking Russian tankers that cannot get out of port due to the early ice this year.

  6. Hi Bill,

    Actually given that there is a lot of proof out there now, Lovelock’s theory has a lot of backup. How much does your theory have?

    I presume that you are trying to say that Carbon Dioxide is different from Carbon. There is a hint in the name of both of them. At a molecular level they both have Carbon in them. It is a change of state, and combination. What part of that disproves a carbon cycle? Didn’t you ever study chemistry at school? There are way more harmful carbon compounds than just carbon dioxide.
    The planet is fragile in its current state. No one, including Lovelock claims that the planet itself will be destroyed, only that the conditions for us to exist on it will change. Think mass extinction and change rather than total destruction.
    And the point you did not answer…..what happened to Corncrakes in Ireland, and to all the other species that we have driven to extinction?

    • Sorry cannot speak for the corncrakes. You seem to know so why do you need someone else to answer the question?
      When someone can explain to me how carbon dioxide (little typo earlier) produced by humans and their activities can be identified out from the mass of carbon dioxide floating around this gaff I will listen then test their process out.
      Far more dangerous than carbon dioxide, ye gods get a grip that man. All the global warming banter pushes carbon dioxide as the nuero uno bad guy, the thing that must be curtailed are they keeping the worst till last like ASH do with second hand and then third hand smoke allegedly being lethal in microscopic amounts?

      No I didn’t ‘take chemistry’ at school. Quite what the significance of my secondary school education or lack of in your estimation is to the prosecution of your argument that humans are killing themselves, all life on earth but not the planet, is beyond me but I never said it ‘disproves the carbon cycle’ you did.

      Doesn’t change a thing its still just a theory. A published theory true but that is all it is.

      I take it you have divested your day to day life of all carbon dioxide production and every polluting man made product or service or are at least in the process of doing so?

  7. My apologies. Seems the tankers were stuck in June this year.
    “The shipping companies had expected the Gulf of Ob to be free of ice in the course of June and that icebreaker assistance would not be necessary. They were wrong.

    According to Rosatomflot, there appears to be a need for icebreaker services in the area at least until after the first week of July. There are currently two nuclear-powered icebreakers in the Gulf of Ob, the «Taymyr» and the «Vaygach». In addition, there are several smaller tugs and icebreakers working in the waters around the Sabetta port.

    According to the icebreaker company, this is the first summer in four years that the Gulf of Ob is packed with this much ice.”

    The shipping companies had expected the Gulf of Ob to be free of ice in the course of June and that icebreaker assistance would not be necessary. They were wrong.

    According to Rosatomflot, there appears to be a need for icebreaker services in the area at least until after the first week of July. There are currently two nuclear-powered icebreakers in the Gulf of Ob, the «Taymyr» and the «Vaygach». In addition, there are several smaller tugs and icebreakers working in the waters around the Sabetta port.

    According to the icebreaker company, this is the first summer in four years that the Gulf of Ob is packed with this much ice.

    As for yer land rails.

    It seems loss of habitat due to mechanised farming, pesticides, herbicides and changes of land use may have had a hand in their vanishing.

    “Corncrakes are a ground-nesting bird, related to moorhens and coots, that live on dry land. They are a summer visitor to Scotland, over-wintering in Africa.

    To survive and breed successfully, corncrakes need:

    safe nesting habitat in crops and hay / silage fields
    tall vegetation (ideally over 20 centimetres in height) that provides cover during breeding and chick rearing
    The Corncrake Grazing Management option provides cover throughout the breeding season.

    Cover in spring, early cover, is usually provided by tall herbs with an early growing season such as iris, nettles and cow parsley.

    Late cover is provided by long grass and herbs.”

    https://www.ruralpayments.org/publicsite/futures/topics/all-schemes/agri-environment-climate-scheme/management-options-and-capital-items/corncrake-grazing-management/guidance-for-corncrake-grazing-management/

    • My point about chemistry is simply that if you had some understanding of it, you might then be able to follow the reasoning that a lot of climate change science is based on.  Yes, loads of life breathes out carbon dioxide.  What is producing climate change is the sheer volume of it being produced.  More human activity = more intensive agriculture and more land clearance.  Most land is cleared by burning the vegetation that was on it, and guess what that releases?  It also decreases the planets ability to soak the damned stuff up again since that needs vegetation.  Increased agriculture also = increased mechanisation, as does increased industry around the world.  This is still largely powered by dead dinosaurs, and guess what that releases into the atmosphere from a place where it was safely locked up for millennia?

      It does not matter if you can say that this particular molecule of carbon dioxide comes from burning oil, or from a cow.  The problem is as above, the increase in its release into the atmosphere, and the corresponding decrease in the planets ability to soak it back up again.  Incidentally, another of the worlds largest carbon dioxide soaks is the microscopic plants that live in our oceans.  Unfortunately these too are under threat, both from habitat change, and from the amount of chemicals that we pour into the sea as waste.

      On the example of Corncrakes, they used to be fairly common here in Ireland.  It is mankind’s activities that have driven them to near extinction, so yes, we most certainly do have an effect on the planet.

      • Did you miss this query?

        I take it you have divested your day to day life of all carbon dioxide production and every polluting man made product or service or are at least in the process of doing so?

          • Ha! Very good Cas very good. A none responsive answer. Neat I admire neatness.

            Well here I will be more specific for ya. No car for five years after 36 years of driving, no phones of any kind for around 7 years, no central heating save the heat sink radiator needed for the col/woodfired back boiler safety, no plastic window frames, only one window and one door double glazed, no packaging recycling of any description, no bin, no council mandated recycling bins, very little processed food bought, all food scraps either go to the worm bins or on the fire, one twenty minute ride on a train in five years otherwise the feet take us where we need to be, never flown, never been abroad, all clobber is second hand, no electric powered washing machine, tiny student fridge, coal was burnt for three decades on an open fire now its wood, leccy use is a tenner a week, gas for cooking less than half that, no solar panels, used clothes go to the sally army or in the street bins, water is boiled in a gas kettle and when the fire is not on water for pot washing/clothes washing is boiled on the gas hob, there is an electric shower, no insulation in the cavities and piss poor insulation in the loft, if it gets cold we wrap up the bodies and there are four adult sized bodies here, we buy nearly all of our food from markdowns stuff that would be thrown away at the end of the day, we use the local shop an Aldi as our freezer and to a large extent a pantry, only one of us is employed and they walk to and from, we make things from stuff we or more specifically I find, we have mix of light bulbs but none of those compt fluro things, we have no aerial television though we do watch dvd’s on a 32 incher and as you can tell we have an internet connectionc.
            The furthest two of us have walked in one journey this year is a sixteen mile round trip to a little village and back.
            No pushbikes. We are re-learning how to find and eat wild foods. I pick up litter whenever I am walking towards a street bin and leave it be when walking away.

            But mind we do not do any of the above for the planet, for the environment, for the polar bears or even for the whales. Nor do we bang on about it to anyone, save this chat with you we just do it because to us its just common sense.
            Others can think what they like not my concern.

            So yes there is climate change there has to be because life is dynamic process that never stops chaning. Yes those that think climate armageddon is a feww years away are being conned, or they are bang on the money. I favour the former but as I have said all there is is theory and speculation.
            I have had no experiential evidence of any man made impact on the process of climate change whereas I get daily experiental evidence of man made pollution, mand made destruction of living things for no apparent purpose, mans insane religious obsession with buying, selling and ownership is ever present.

            According the ever changing ‘end date’ those who ‘inform’ come up with we will all be killed by climageddon at some point. As I said the thirteen year old me is still waiting for the climageddon of the day called the little ice age perhaps that’s what will arrive in 12 years. Hopefully I will hang on till then to laugh my cock off, to coin a phrase.

            • Forgot to add none of us claim any state benefits, just in case you was wondering.

              Eee lad that’s me done save to save to say I just wish those who can would turn off the gas supply for a week, or better yet close the oil refineries. Or shut down the nuclear power stations for a few days or simply switch off the interconnectors.

              Just to get a feel for being without such things you understand. Thing is I don’t need the experiences I am old enough to have been through power cuts, petrol shortages, coal gas running out, miners strikes, dockers strikes, the oil crisis, but there are those who need to have such an experience.

              And why do those extinction rebellion people bother with the big cities traffic, places where folks are well used to such disruptions when they would be much more effective if they shut the power stations or the oil refineries through their blockades. Makes you wonder who they are being run by.

              Anyway over to you for the last word. I’m sure you’ll have one.

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